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		<title>By: rlee</title>
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		<dc:creator>rlee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 13:24:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Elmer, I disagree with what you say about the GSE having profits that are private and losses that are socialized. In a large financial meltdown as we have witnessed the past year or so, it wasn&#039;t just the GSE&#039;s that had private profits and socialized losses, the private banks also essentially socialized their losses and their profits are even more private than the GSEs at this point. Even if you think to the past, may have had funding advantages due to its status, but it did come at an expense as well. Notice that during this time when the TARP recipients are beign stubborn and reluctant to spread the funding down to the consumer, the GSEs are now mandated to continue to operate in these markets to play the role of stabilizing the market. Even during the Bush adminstration&#039;s years of &quot;every American in a home,&quot; there were mandates for these GSEs to continue to purchase loans despite the small margins they were earning for the amount of inherent risk.

In response to the article comment about why GSE&#039;s are not in Feinberg&#039;s sites...well the GSEs are in conservatorship and therefore the government can force them to purchase/sell as the government pleases. This is not so much the case for these private banks that have receive TARP especiall given the loose sloppy terms in the contract that were setup in haste by Paulson. So these banks require some additional regulation. Most of these banks  have turned to &quot;profit&quot; as they recover the mark down on their assets, but due to the GSE role in stabilizing the market when there is no market, they continue to operate under losses (despite what their earnings from mark to market derivative gains may imply). So how do you get a CFO with the right qualities to join a sinking ship? You better be willing to pay this guy a decent amount especially since he runs the risk of having a lot of fingers pointed at him if the GSEs continue to lose money, which seems likely. 

In this era of information technology it is so easy to take what we read or see as the truth without doing the due dilligence on our own and it is even more important to do our own research and confirm the validity of people&#039;s statements in the media particularly on complex matters as this one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Elmer, I disagree with what you say about the GSE having profits that are private and losses that are socialized. In a large financial meltdown as we have witnessed the past year or so, it wasn&#8217;t just the GSE&#8217;s that had private profits and socialized losses, the private banks also essentially socialized their losses and their profits are even more private than the GSEs at this point. Even if you think to the past, may have had funding advantages due to its status, but it did come at an expense as well. Notice that during this time when the TARP recipients are beign stubborn and reluctant to spread the funding down to the consumer, the GSEs are now mandated to continue to operate in these markets to play the role of stabilizing the market. Even during the Bush adminstration&#8217;s years of &#8220;every American in a home,&#8221; there were mandates for these GSEs to continue to purchase loans despite the small margins they were earning for the amount of inherent risk.</p>
<p>In response to the article comment about why GSE&#8217;s are not in Feinberg&#8217;s sites&#8230;well the GSEs are in conservatorship and therefore the government can force them to purchase/sell as the government pleases. This is not so much the case for these private banks that have receive TARP especiall given the loose sloppy terms in the contract that were setup in haste by Paulson. So these banks require some additional regulation. Most of these banks  have turned to &#8220;profit&#8221; as they recover the mark down on their assets, but due to the GSE role in stabilizing the market when there is no market, they continue to operate under losses (despite what their earnings from mark to market derivative gains may imply). So how do you get a CFO with the right qualities to join a sinking ship? You better be willing to pay this guy a decent amount especially since he runs the risk of having a lot of fingers pointed at him if the GSEs continue to lose money, which seems likely. </p>
<p>In this era of information technology it is so easy to take what we read or see as the truth without doing the due dilligence on our own and it is even more important to do our own research and confirm the validity of people&#8217;s statements in the media particularly on complex matters as this one.</p>
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		<title>By: Elmer Stoup</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elmer Stoup</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 23:58:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Freddie Mac employees, being part of a &quot;government-sponsored enterprise,&quot; where profits are private and losses are socialized, are well-connected to the national level politicians like Barney Frank and Chris Dodd.  Thus the rules that apply to mere mortals don&#039;t apply to them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Freddie Mac employees, being part of a &#8220;government-sponsored enterprise,&#8221; where profits are private and losses are socialized, are well-connected to the national level politicians like Barney Frank and Chris Dodd.  Thus the rules that apply to mere mortals don&#8217;t apply to them.</p>
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		<title>By: JimBob</title>
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		<dc:creator>JimBob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 16:58:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No one worries about the dam when water is barely leaking, but it portends the underlying trouble of a dam that&#039;s about to burst.  Please refer to the WSJ.com about the potential for all banks to have their pay regulated.  Pretty soon, it will be greedy insurers.  Then greedy oil executives.  One day, we&#039;ll all have to report to an unelected official making decisions that have not been passed by a legislative body, forcing a determined salary on us.  Sounds wonderful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No one worries about the dam when water is barely leaking, but it portends the underlying trouble of a dam that&#8217;s about to burst.  Please refer to the WSJ.com about the potential for all banks to have their pay regulated.  Pretty soon, it will be greedy insurers.  Then greedy oil executives.  One day, we&#8217;ll all have to report to an unelected official making decisions that have not been passed by a legislative body, forcing a determined salary on us.  Sounds wonderful.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank Graham</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank Graham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 18:00:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama supposed to speak soon this afternoon on this issue.  @2:15 pm ET
Noticed yesterday how some of the deferred stock offers are to be delayed up to
as much as 5 years.  Wonder how that might affect market if it puts dent in the
quick dumps being the rule now.  Chances are these C types are gonna dream up
an even better pay dodge.  Esp if they expands caps to wider companies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama supposed to speak soon this afternoon on this issue.  @2:15 pm ET<br />
Noticed yesterday how some of the deferred stock offers are to be delayed up to<br />
as much as 5 years.  Wonder how that might affect market if it puts dent in the<br />
quick dumps being the rule now.  Chances are these C types are gonna dream up<br />
an even better pay dodge.  Esp if they expands caps to wider companies.</p>
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