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	<title>Comments on: TFS Financial Corp. Discusses its Loan Woes</title>
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		<title>By: EB</title>
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		<dc:creator>EB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jan 2010 02:52:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The feds require that the banks reinvest in the community. For info on their Home Today program, you only have to look at www.hometoday.org . They definitely are not Alt-A loans but rather a method to promote their philosophy of putting people into homes.

Another issue  is their reliance on home equity loans and lines of credit as a revenue generator. These typically are second mortgages and subordinate to the first one. If a homeowner is having financial difficulties, they will pay the primary note and ignore the equity loan. They know the holder of the secondary note will never foreclose because the proceeds will go to the first mortgage holder and the second mortgage holder may have incurred the costs of the foreclosure but not receive any money.

Another issue is their reliance on on non-deposit accounts and their failure to offer services for younger clientele who have a more mobile lifestyle and do not want to get saddled by a home, but have high incomes. Their core customer has a lot of grey hair and getting older. Once their homes are paid off, they won&#039;t need another mortgage and the younger people in the world will be banking at places that offer more than three ATM transactions a month, mobile banking and full service accounts. 

Had they not had that fortuitously timed IPO three years ago, Third Federal might be in trouble today. If they hadn&#039;t gotten that two billion dollars from the IPO, what would their financials look like today? Their capital seems to be dropping and it&#039;s probably not because they&#039;re making lots and lots of new high-quality loans. Are they cranking out buggy whips hoping that what they did in the past will take them into the future while burning cash?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The feds require that the banks reinvest in the community. For info on their Home Today program, you only have to look at <a href="http://www.hometoday.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.hometoday.org</a> . They definitely are not Alt-A loans but rather a method to promote their philosophy of putting people into homes.</p>
<p>Another issue  is their reliance on home equity loans and lines of credit as a revenue generator. These typically are second mortgages and subordinate to the first one. If a homeowner is having financial difficulties, they will pay the primary note and ignore the equity loan. They know the holder of the secondary note will never foreclose because the proceeds will go to the first mortgage holder and the second mortgage holder may have incurred the costs of the foreclosure but not receive any money.</p>
<p>Another issue is their reliance on on non-deposit accounts and their failure to offer services for younger clientele who have a more mobile lifestyle and do not want to get saddled by a home, but have high incomes. Their core customer has a lot of grey hair and getting older. Once their homes are paid off, they won&#8217;t need another mortgage and the younger people in the world will be banking at places that offer more than three ATM transactions a month, mobile banking and full service accounts. </p>
<p>Had they not had that fortuitously timed IPO three years ago, Third Federal might be in trouble today. If they hadn&#8217;t gotten that two billion dollars from the IPO, what would their financials look like today? Their capital seems to be dropping and it&#8217;s probably not because they&#8217;re making lots and lots of new high-quality loans. Are they cranking out buggy whips hoping that what they did in the past will take them into the future while burning cash?</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Jon Byers Lubbock Texas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Jon Byers Lubbock Texas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 17:07:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;We expect the level of loans delinquent 90 days and over will increase in the future.&quot; well of course they do they know they have loans they should not have made.  Michael Jon Byers Lubbock Texas</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;We expect the level of loans delinquent 90 days and over will increase in the future.&#8221; well of course they do they know they have loans they should not have made.  Michael Jon Byers Lubbock Texas</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew A. Sailer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew A. Sailer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Dec 2009 20:15:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Part of the problem that has been created was due to the sub prime crisis that was created when major banks started to issue lots of risky credit, and then insured those loans with credit default swaps. It won&#039;t get you anywhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Part of the problem that has been created was due to the sub prime crisis that was created when major banks started to issue lots of risky credit, and then insured those loans with credit default swaps. It won&#8217;t get you anywhere.</p>
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		<title>By: Sonya Hubbard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sonya Hubbard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 19:35:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for your note and input, JimBob.  I apologize for assuming that interest-only loans were in the same category as subprime loans and zero-down loans.  While the bank&#039;s policy change reinforces the premise that the interest-only loans weren&#039;t in the bank&#039;s best interest, I&#039;m grateful for your help in distinguishing the various mortgage industry terms.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for your note and input, JimBob.  I apologize for assuming that interest-only loans were in the same category as subprime loans and zero-down loans.  While the bank&#8217;s policy change reinforces the premise that the interest-only loans weren&#8217;t in the bank&#8217;s best interest, I&#8217;m grateful for your help in distinguishing the various mortgage industry terms.</p>
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		<title>By: JimBob</title>
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		<dc:creator>JimBob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 17:47:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re misreading their statement.  They said &quot;We’re also the bank that doesn’t believe in putting customers at risk through questionable loan practices like sub-prime lending and zero-down mortgages.&quot;  You followed with &quot;Page 8 states that the company did offer “interest only” residential real estate mortgage loans until March 11, 2009.&quot;  Interest only loans are do not have to be sub-prime, nor do they have to be tied to zero-down loans. 

On another note, where it says &quot;“The Association did not classify it as a sub-prime lending program based on the exclusion provided to community development loans in the Office of Thrift Supervision’s Expanded Guidance for Sub-prime Lending.” &quot;, they were probably doing &quot;Alt-A&quot; loans.  These are supposed loans to good clients who lack all the &quot;proper&quot; paperwork.  Those haven&#039;t worked out very well either, eh?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re misreading their statement.  They said &#8220;We’re also the bank that doesn’t believe in putting customers at risk through questionable loan practices like sub-prime lending and zero-down mortgages.&#8221;  You followed with &#8220;Page 8 states that the company did offer “interest only” residential real estate mortgage loans until March 11, 2009.&#8221;  Interest only loans are do not have to be sub-prime, nor do they have to be tied to zero-down loans. </p>
<p>On another note, where it says &#8220;“The Association did not classify it as a sub-prime lending program based on the exclusion provided to community development loans in the Office of Thrift Supervision’s Expanded Guidance for Sub-prime Lending.” &#8220;, they were probably doing &#8220;Alt-A&#8221; loans.  These are supposed loans to good clients who lack all the &#8220;proper&#8221; paperwork.  Those haven&#8217;t worked out very well either, eh?</p>
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